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    SAIMAROIMARU wrote:

    So what now shes a atheist? Shes a christian whether you like it or not and yet i'm more informed than you so if i'm a idoit what does that make you? A retard? Watch your words before insulting people. McCain shouldn't be choosen just because he the only white man running, thats racist and underminds what you should be really doing. Each candidate has a platform which I posted previously here. Hillary is not lying and when Bill Clinton was President we were doing good. Why do you think he has some much love from black people and on the white side he is very well like and considered a great president and he is way better than Bush. Don't blame what Bush did to us on Bill whether you liek it or not Bill is already in the history books as one of the great presidentsTongue out. I don't see how making McCain president will help us. He is pretty much another George Bush. he is not out for us but is trying to keep millions in rich peoples hands and let us middle class people stay pretty much in debt. If i'm correct thats the wrong way to go. Oh wait I am.



    She has been all of her life, she can't suddenly change when an election starts so she can become spiritual. Also, you can't support abortion and be Christian. You would have to be idiotic to believe her, or Barrack, who was sworn in on a Qua'ran, are Christian. How is it rascist to pick someone based on their better EXISTAND and CONTINOUS platform. Isn't it rascist to vote for someone because they're black and sexist to vote for someone because they're a woman? I'm the one making a descision based on the candidate's ability, how does that make me rascist? You need to think before saying something so stupid. Hillary lies all the time: you've never noticed it? She's so fake. Her workers told her she needed to laugh more for better ratings and so they asked her about the War in Iraq and she screamed the fakest laugh. (If you don't believe me, it's on Youtube.) Bill Clinton never did anything good, if he weren't President Bush wouldn't be President now. He's never been considered a good president. I don't know where you live, but you must have some crazy people. Even people in Australia thought Clinton was worse than Bush (I went and we talked about it). Bill isn't in history books. He didn't do anything great. Presidents that were great all have one thing in common, they were all Conservative. Reagan, JFK, Abraham Lincoln and even George Washington (which is were most Republican ideas came from). McCain actually has experience. And I mean experience, not drinking tea with other famous ladies "experience" or recieving a reward for being a good writer "experience" but political experience, which is what the country actually needs. No, you're not. That's why there are all these tax cuts. He actually lets us keep our money, how is that taking it from us?

    Posted Apr 24, 2008, 11:47:04 PM

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    TAYUYAROCKS9250 wrote:



    He's the reason Bush won, TWICE. We're the only country that does anything. Have you seen what happens to the people because of their religious leaders? It's the same kind of persecution in Hotel Rwanda, and just like in Hotel Rwanda the U.N. is backing out of it. We're the only country that has ever showed any feelings for people other than ourselves. Sadam was considered a holy man, infadels are people who aren't Muslim. The Islamic faith teaches that to get to Heaven, you must kill the infadels. If we're the infadels, why wouldn't we fight back? It doesn't make sense. Clinton vs. Obama is intertwined with McCain because they're in one political race. I'm going to make you guys think, but have you ever heard of the Crusades? Do you know what's happening to the Jewish people (faith and race)? Do you know that we've found portable bases that contain proper tools to make nuclear weapons (yeah, Bush was right)? Did you know we're actually on the side of the Iraq government, we're fighting Al Qaeda, a Muslim terrorist group bent on killing "infadels?" 9/11? Ever heard of it? America wasn't even the only one who got devastated. They have found so many Al Qaeda members in Europe, especially Britain, it's a wonder you've never heard of it. Is succumbing to a people who believe we should we killed going to do anything? They believe that if we withdraw we are weak, which again makes us "infadels." So, by backing out of this, what will we accomplish?



    I will say this once and for all. Where did all these topics about infidels, Rwanda, global warming among others come from! This forum says Obama vs. Clinton so, I put in my two cents about why I'd vote Hillary and others expressed their opinions about each candidate. Now everyone is attacking each others opinions, well this is the end of this forum for me. I've said my opinion, now I'm going to get back to more Naruto related issues and stop wasting time on this forum. PEACE OUT

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 12:07:10 AM

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    @Tayuyrocks9250

    Obama was NOT sworn in on the Qua'ran. That was another Senator. He was sworn in on a Holy Bible, the same that most Christians use. If you don't support abortion at all, you can't be a Christian(in the same context that you're using). And no, he doesn't refuse to say the pledge, or wear a flag pin, or any of that other useless nonsense that people say about him.

    All of those statements in what should be the second paragraph are ignorant. Bush KILLED the US Economy, not Clinton. he reason the US is in so much trouble is these wars he's led us into*. George Washington HATED the idea of Political parties. And by the way, when Lincoln was president, the Republican party was LIBERAL. Also, JFK was a Democrat, not a Republican(He ran AGAINST Reagan). Some other Notable Democrats: FDR, Truman, and Andrew Jackson. Most American ideals Came from Washington, for both Democrats and Republicans(mainly for us Independents though). McCain's War Policy stinks on ice, and his economic plan......well, if were actually used, the USA would just implode. We don't need someone with "experience" like you've said, we need someone to fix the state of the Union. That starts with the National Debt, the Collapsing Housing Economy, and the destruction of the American Industrial Machine. That requires someone with new ideas, and not just a follow up of the Bush Admin.

    For what you said about Clinton doing nothing good, try this out. If that's not enough....
    "Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a reported federal surplus. Based on Congressional accounting rules, at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion."
    -Is that doing Nothing? He had EXTRA MONEY for the government. that means he was doing his job right. Still not enough?
    "Clinton left office with an approval rating at 65%, the highest end of office rating of any President since World War II."
    -Wow, that's more than Bush has had in...how long? Again, this may not be enough proof that he was a good president...so...
    "Shortly after taking office, Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993, which required large employers to allow employees to take unpaid leave for pregnancy or a serious medical condition."
    -The pregnant and ill can actually be treated AND keep their job? Well I never....

    Tax Cuts aren't really a good idea, and giving them to the overly wealthy is a TERRIBLE idea. Tax cuts should go to what's left of the middle class, and the lower class, so they can actually make it somewhere in society. Also, the overly rediculous profits of Oil Companies needs cut....now.


    So, that leaves Clinton...and Obama...Clinton is wishy washy, so I would say Obama is the safest bet for the Dems to pull out a win, despite not having any of the conservative vote.





    *Don't you dare call me un-patriotic, I'm currently written down to serve 6 years in the United States Army(probably Active), and that number may/will go up. Also to add, I'm voting for Nader, so all of the points I make are as unbiased as I can get.

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 12:23:08 AM

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    Well,  I've never liked Clinton, Obama, Huckabee or Mccain~
    I wanted Mitt Romney to win.

    But seeing as how no good canadates are left. I could careless over who ends up screwing over our country.

    ~Tida

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 02:47:01 AM

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    DISTURBEDPUPPY wrote:

    @Tayuyrocks9250

    Obama was NOT sworn in on the Qua'ran. That was another Senator. He was sworn in on a Holy Bible, the same that most Christians use. If you don't support abortion at all, you can't be a Christian(in the same context that you're using). And no, he doesn't refuse to say the pledge, or wear a flag pin, or any of that other useless nonsense that people say about him.

    All of those statements in what should be the second paragraph are ignorant. Bush KILLED the US Economy, not Clinton. he reason the US is in so much trouble is these wars he's led us into*. George Washington HATED the idea of Political parties. And by the way, when Lincoln was president, the Republican party was LIBERAL. Also, JFK was a Democrat, not a Republican(He ran AGAINST Reagan). Some other Notable Democrats: FDR, Truman, and Andrew Jackson. Most American ideals Came from Washington, for both Democrats and Republicans(mainly for us Independents though). McCain's War Policy stinks on ice, and his economic plan......well, if were actually used, the USA would just implode. We don't need someone with "experience" like you've said, we need someone to fix the state of the Union. That starts with the National Debt, the Collapsing Housing Economy, and the destruction of the American Industrial Machine. That requires someone with new ideas, and not just a follow up of the Bush Admin.

    For what you said about Clinton doing nothing good, try this out. If that's not enough....
    "Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economicexpansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and areported federal surplus. Based on Congressional accounting rules, at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion."
    -Is that doing Nothing? He had EXTRA MONEY for the government. that means he was doing his job right. Still not enough?
    "Clinton left office with an approval rating at 65%, the highest end of office rating of any President since World War II."
    -Wow, that's more than Bush has had in...how long? Again, this may not be enough proof that he was a good president...so...
    "Shortly after taking office, Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993, which required large employers to allow employees to take unpaid leave for pregnancy or a serious medical condition."
    -The pregnant and ill can actually be treated AND keep their job? Well I never....

    Tax Cuts aren't really a good idea, and giving them to the overly wealthy is a TERRIBLE idea. Tax cuts should go to what's left of the middle class, and the lower class, so they can actually make it somewhere in society. Also, the overly rediculous profits of Oil Companies needs cut....now.

     


    So, that leaves Clinton...and Obama...Clinton is wishy washy, so I would say Obama is the safest bet for the Dems to pull out a win, despite not having any of the conservative vote.





    *Don't you dare call me un-patriotic, I'm currently written down to serve 6 years in the United States Army(probably Active), and that number may/will go up. Also to add, I'm voting for Nader, so all of the points I make are as unbiased as I can get.


    First, get this right. The Republican party was never liberal, the Democratic Republicans were liberal. Obama was sworn in on the Qua'ran. I never said he wasn't patriotic, but he isn't a Christian. He never even listened to his own "pastor" in the first place. If he had, he would have known his pastor was rascist. And how can you not support abortion and be Christian? Abortion is killing a baby, not just an embryo it is scientifically proven to be a baby, and Christians believe that killing God's people is wrong? The U.S. economy was dying before Bush. They don't drastically fall at first, they make a slow decline. Bush did help it alot but Bill started it. JFK was a Democrat but just about everything he did was Conservative. Andrew Jackson wasn't a notable president in a good way. Ever head of the "Trail of Tears?" McCain's plans don't have flaws like the major Democratic candidates. Have you not read anything I wrote? There's no such thing as new ideas, the planet is over 6,000 years old. The Family and Medical Act of 1993 didn't do any good, seeing as you could already take maternity leave AND recieve pay for it. Tax cuts have always been good? Where have you been? And of course oil companies need their profits cut, their prices are rediculous. Clinton and Obama shouldn't be in this race, neither of them are good candidates. The Clintons have already shown they will lie to get support and Barrock and talk for 2 hours and not say anything.

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 07:54:10 AM

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    NINJA94 wrote:

    obama is not the first black man 2 run for president and hillary is not the first women 2 run for president anyway they either 1 of them would be a fine president



    yes we know that because they didnt even go past the primary

    but if  he wins the primary and presidential debate he could be the first black president  or vise versa hilary as the first women with th efirst man alongside with her

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 08:38:45 AM

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    TAYUYAROCKS9250 wrote:



    She has been all of her life, she can't suddenly change when an election starts so she can become spiritual. Also, you can't support abortion and be Christian. You would have to be idiotic to believe her, or Barrack, who was sworn in on a Qua'ran, are Christian. How is it rascist to pick someone based on their better EXISTAND and CONTINOUS platform. Isn't it rascist to vote for someone because they're black and sexist to vote for someone because they're a woman? I'm the one making a descision based on the candidate's ability, how does that make me rascist? You need to think before saying something so stupid. Hillary lies all the time: you've never noticed it? She's so fake. Her workers told her she needed to laugh more for better ratings and so they asked her about the War in Iraq and she screamed the fakest laugh. (If you don't believe me, it's on Youtube.) Bill Clinton never did anything good, if he weren't President Bush wouldn't be President now. He's never been considered a good president. I don't know where you live, but you must have some crazy people. Even people in Australia thought Clinton was worse than Bush (I went and we talked about it). Bill isn't in history books. He didn't do anything great. Presidents that were great all have one thing in common, they were all Conservative. Reagan, JFK, Abraham Lincoln and even George Washington (which is were most Republican ideas came from). McCain actually has experience. And I mean experience, not drinking tea with other famous ladies "experience" or recieving a reward for being a good writer "experience" but political experience, which is what the country actually needs. No, you're not. That's why there are all these tax cuts. He actually lets us keep our money, how is that taking it from us?


    Uh dude shes a christan unles she saids it herself you can't tell what a person believes. Obama was not sworn in on the quran and so wha if he is? That racist towards a religion. I don't and have not said I will vote foe someone because they are black or a different sex so watch YOUR mouth. MCCain is just another Bush  and I  do not want anotheer Bush like person running this country. Bill has dose something good why do you think people wish he  was still president so learn your facts no look on YoutUbe and do actually research your stuff. Oh he is in histiry books as a great president believe it or not infact the only bad thing he did was that affair he had but everything else he did was great unlike Bush where more than one thing went wrong. MCcain has war experience and is questionable on his mental state from the Veitnam war so I don't a emntal damaged man is ready to take the Presdiency. Explain to me how letting rich people keeep their mioney and making us poor poeple pay taxes is best? Oh all the tax cuts you got McCain voted against them and wants to get rid of them and kkeep tax cuts for rich people. So yes i'm right.

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    TAYUYAROCKS9250 wrote:


    First, get this right. The Republican party was never liberal, the Democratic Republicans were liberal. Obama was sworn in on the Qua'ran. I never said he wasn't patriotic, but he isn't a Christian. He never even listened to his own "pastor" in the first place. If he had, he would have known his pastor was rascist. And how can you not support abortion and be Christian? Abortion is killing a baby, not just an embryo it is scientifically proven to be a baby, and Christians believe that killing God's people is wrong? The U.S. economy was dying before Bush. They don't drastically fall at first, they make a slow decline. Bush did help it alot but Bill started it. JFK was a Democrat but just about everything he did was Conservative. Andrew Jackson wasn't a notable president in a good way. Ever head of the "Trail of Tears?" McCain's plans don't have flaws like the major Democratic candidates. Have you not read anything I wrote? There's no such thing as new ideas, the planet is over 6,000 years old. The Family and Medical Act of 1993 didn't do any good, seeing as you could already take maternity leave AND recieve pay for it. Tax cuts have always been good? Where have you been? And of course oil companies need their profits cut, their prices are rediculous. Clinton and Obama shouldn't be in this race, neither of them are good candidates. The Clintons have already shown they will lie to get support and Barrock and talk for 2 hours and not say anything.



    Listen to your self you sound like one of those media feed people.Yopur racist against Muslims obivously. His pastor is asying the same stuff Martin Luthwer KIng JR. did at the end of his life which is now respected. Christanity has many forms and people are christaians in many ways so get over it. War kills people why not attack that fool. The econmy was in great shape while Clinton was here or were you in another country I think you were because it was great in Americaa with CLinton. While Andrwew Jackson was President our debt was $0 the only time in a U.S. predency so he is notable. The tax cuts are good for middle class and lower wage families and I don't see once again how rich people should get them.

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 10:22:01 AM

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    Oh yes you brought up Austraila. I question their credabillty as they supported us in the Veit Nma war in which we should of never been involed in the first place. Aystriala dosen't like clinton because hes not a war hawk. Lets look at other places. Most of Eurpoe hates Bush but like Clinton , pretty much all of the middle east hate s bush but likes or has no negative opinion of Clinton. Soth America hates Bush hmm oh I forgot why not actually look at what america thinks. You know the place where they served office. Lets see most of America hates Bush.(He has a low following which obivously includes you) and most of america loves Bill Clinton including the African american community which is rare for a president hmmm that would mean he is a great president in most people eyes don't get mad at Bill Clinton or Andrew Jackson who is a vertan in the war of 1812 and hero of the battle of New Orleans because Bush is being recorded as a horrible president its life Bush lover.So watch your mouth before insulting great presidents and bringing countries into this debate.

    Posted Apr 25, 2008, 11:58:08 AM

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    Another thing I don'i if you are muslim, athesist,christen, jew, or whatever as long as you run this country right i'm fine. Barrack speeches are better than McCains and Clinton.Just because he black and address some of those problems dosen't mean he boring.Experience dosen't matter if you are going to run this country into the ground.

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